HerrLjunga
Vital 1st Team Regular
Started election work yesterday at 6am, finished 2am this morning, back in at 7.45am, still at the count centre now. Love an election with a turnout of 18%...
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RE Block 1
Vital Youth Team
So that's what you do with your spare time Herr when the season is over and there are no pre-match briefings to write mate!!!!! Roll on the new season, I'm missing your briefings already man
NHS budget has increased every year since 2015. So how has that been under-funded?
It's not money which is the problem, it's demand.
RE Block 1
Vital Youth Team
Is the NHS the only public service then?
Isn't it the most important?
RE Block 1
Vital Youth Team
Totally benign counter-arguement. Whether it is the most important or not (which is entirely dependant upon one's circumstances and social impacts of all other types of public expenditure), there are many other forms of public expenditure.
nibbles
Vital Football Hero
Genuine question, how has it changed since 2010 and how does this compare to inflation?
No offence intended but you can look it up. I've genuinely no idea.
I know it's increased every year since 2015 because i looked after the whole Brexit-bus debacle.
nibbles
Vital Football Hero
Thought you might know as you had the other stats so readily to hand. I can’t be arsed either (second reason I asked)
Therealwaldo
Vital Squad Member
It’s a somewhat meaningless statistic. It doesn’t account for the needs of an ageing population. The King’s Fund which does health research showed that the share of National Income has only fallen twice in the history of the NHS, once during the Thatcher years and from the start of the coalition to date. We also spend less of our GDP on health than other equivalent nations. We also have one of the smallest numbers of beds per ‘000 people across the whole of European states.
Hmmmm I'd have to disagree.
I think NHS must affect people the most.
However, my point still stands, the Government aren't spending less on public services and siphoning it off to Cayman (although I hope the NCA get MM for Covid). Either it's all getting spent on services, or it's getting spent on debt repayment due to Covid and rest on public services.
I'm not sure what else they could have done? Unless you're all arguing spending was fine, they should have increased tax to spend more.
PuB
Vital 1st Team Regular
You know that load of money that ended up in the pockets of Tory chums in return for undelivered PPE and the completely failed Track and Trace system (38bn on the latter alone I believe)?
Well, that cash was added on to the NHS budget. Certainly didn’t get spent on improving hospitals, let alone the building of 40 new ones.
So yeah, the spend increased. But where did that cash go?
jogills
Vital Football Hero
The perennial ideologue John Redwood tweets endlessly about public services and provision as if their performance is solely the responsibility of people he calls socialists. After defence of the realm and public order comes basic competence and management of services etc. He and his party have had 14 years and counting to produce results..... ahem
Because of both.
Agree, low inequality is very important. The low inequality is driven by the high taxes hence redistribution of wealth and high quality public services and provision of facilities.
GillsBluenose
Vital Football Hero
But that is exactly the point. You jump on my comment about Truss proposing to slash taxes, almost exclusively for rich corporations and individuals, in an immediate and severe manner and you talk about increasing taxes. Nobody mentioned that.
Are you not aware that we already statistically have the highest tax burden ever? As the Tories have been in power for 14 years of course that is now spread among the "have nots" as much as the "haves" and the higher tax band rates have therefore stayed low for the rich. No bigger reason for inequality than that, and Truss was just trying to make it worse.
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PuB
Vital 1st Team Regular
You miss out (unfortunately) that it is also driven by very high wages in the first place
My reason of your criticism for Truss is that our tax is too high and she was trying to address it to stimulate the economy. She was only hounded out because of the economc climate at the time. We had inflation and she was being aggressive. Right now her ideas would be perfect.
Anyone political commentator will agree this Tory Government are the highest taxers in history.
They have destroyed the IR35 industry completely.
A lot of reasonably-comfortable people are now deciding to retire in their 50s because what's the point working, all the stress, when so much is taken away?
And what do you reckon Labour are going to do? Attract money in to the UK or force money to leave?
