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Very close at the bottom of the Championship, 23rd to 18th have all hit a bit of form and dragged three or four of the midtable pack back into it - only 7 points separating 15th and 23rd.

The current top 3 in L2 are the big spenders of the league, which is no surprise. Crewe and MK have been sniffing around them for a while as well. Gillingham are in the PO's and have only scored 34 in 35!
 
League 2 is a bit mental this season. When you consider that we are still in the hunt for our Play Off's and are 8 points off the last spot for those, the equivalent in League 2 is 16th placed Accrington. Walsall were around that spot at the beginning of February and are now 6th after a good run. From a selfish point of view, ie it's around 20 minutes away from me, I'd be very happy for them to get up.
 
The top of the Championship shows how unfare the Premier League set up is.
Leicester having a bit of a blip but along with Leeds and Southampton they are all challenging at the top of the league. Ipswich the only one spoiling the party at the moment.
This is mainly due to parachute payments allowing them to keep their highly paid players and invest in more. It is so unfair to the rest of the teams in that League.
The argument the Premier League puts forward is it allows the teams to remain competitive when they return to the Premier.
Apparently the new deal on the table which in the end the EFL will probably be forced to accept makes it even more lucrative for relegated Premier league teams.
It's all one big joke and will only get worse
 
Ruskingtony said:
The top of the Championship shows how unfare the Premier League set up is.
Leicester having a bit of a blip but along with Leeds and Southampton they are all challenging at the top of the league. Ipswich the only one spoiling the party at the moment.
This is mainly due to parachute payments allowing them to keep their highly paid players and invest in more. It is so unfair to the rest of the teams in that League.
The argument the Premier League puts forward is it allows the teams to remain competitive when they return to the Premier.
Apparently the new deal on the table which in the end the EFL will probably be forced to accept makes it even more lucrative for relegated Premier league teams.
It's all one big joke and will only get worse
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It worked very well for The Blades last night - they were very competitive!!
 
It's pretty mental at the bottom of the NL as well - Hartlepool on 47 points in 10th and Kidderminster 39 points in 23rd!
 
I can't remember any complaining about the parachute payments we got when we were relegated to the NL. Apart from the concern that it fell a lot after the first year.
 
57harry said:
I can't remember any complaining about the parachute payments we got when we were relegated to the NL. Apart from the concern that it fell a lot after the first year.
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Well I don't know what massive sum we got all those years ago but the current amount for league 2 clubs is 520k. To put that into context Leicester City received 111 million at the end of last season re the TV rights etc.. then on top of that got a further 40 to 45 million in a parachute payment. If they don't get promotion they only get a paltry 35 million next season followed by around 16 million the season after. Took these figures from an article quoting Kelvin Maguire so assume fairly accurate.
 
Ruskingtony said:
Well I don't know what massive sum we got all those years ago but the current amount for league 2 clubs is 520k. To put that into context Leicester City received 111 million at the end of last season re the TV rights etc.. then on top of that got a further 40 to 45 million in a parachute payment. If they don't get promotion they only get a paltry 35 million next season followed by around 16 million the season after. Took these figures from an article quoting Kelvin Maguire so assume fairly accurate.
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Any analysis of those promoted from the championship and relegated from the premiership will demonstrate the massive distortion of the championship competitiveness that is derived from parachute payments. Decent analysis here...

 
Sincilbanks said:
Any analysis of those promoted from the championship and relegated from the premiership will demonstrate the massive distortion of the championship competitiveness that is derived from parachute payments. Decent analysis here...

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My take away from that is that the parachute payments are only a symptom. The cause seems to be PL clubs often being allowed to operate far too long, way above their income ratio percentages whilst gambling on not getting relegated. Perhaps if FFP rules were enforced better top down, that would reduce the excuse for parachute payments and by default make the Championship a fairer competition.

Edit - Another way of looking at it is clubs are encouraged not to follow FFP, safe in the knowledge that they have the parachute security blanket. Maybe it's time to give them x years notice that the security blanket will be getting phased out, so that they can run down expensive existing contracts and plan ahead with the new contracts. Isn't that a bit like (some) the EFL clubs are doing currently?
 
Ruskingtony said:
Well I don't know what massive sum we got all those years ago but the current amount for league 2 clubs is 520k. To put that into context Leicester City received 111 million at the end of last season re the TV rights etc.. then on top of that got a further 40 to 45 million in a parachute payment. If they don't get promotion they only get a paltry 35 million next season followed by around 16 million the season after. Took these figures from an article quoting Kelvin Maguire so assume fairly accurate.
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I have a vague memory it increased after we got relegated….
 
I agree that parachute payments tend to reduce the chances of upward mobility of clubs competing against those that have come down. It doesn't always work out of course, and there have been some spectacular failures.

The amounts of money involved are the inevitable outcome of the arms race that is professional football.

Villas losses of £119 million are all part of the business model. Yet staying within the rules of course.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aston Villa report almost £120m losses in one season

Aston Villa report a loss of £119.6m in their latest accounts up to 31 May 2023.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The Premier league and it's 'stars' have about as much relevance go the real world for most people as Hollywood, but are just as seductive.
The temptation to overspend exists at every level. Nothing new of course, but since the inception of the Premier league and the marketing hype that has accompanied it, the only real winners are the players and their agents. Just as in society generally, the gap between the richest and the poorest clubs has been widening. There is a huge irony about fans being priced out of supporting their club. At that point you would think it's all a bit pointless.

Not meant to have turned into a rant.
 
From memory, our 'parachute payment' amounted to £225,000. That was around £700,000 down on the season before, and we also had to find £100,000+ to continue running an academy (thank you, Chris).

It is a miracle that this club still exists, let alone plays in L1.
 
hulloutpost said:
My take away from that is that the parachute payments are only a symptom. The cause seems to be PL clubs often being allowed to operate far too long, way above their income ratio percentages whilst gambling on not getting relegated. Perhaps if FFP rules were enforced better top down, that would reduce the excuse for parachute payments and by default make the Championship a fairer competition.

Edit - Another way of looking at it is clubs are encouraged not to follow FFP, safe in the knowledge that they have the parachute security blanket. Maybe it's time to give them x years notice that the security blanket will be getting phased out, so that they can run down expensive existing contracts and plan ahead with the new contracts. Isn't that a bit like (some) the EFL clubs are doing currently?
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That all sounds a bit socialist. Meddling with "the market". Surely unfettered capitalism is the way to go? Or do your interventionist principles only apply to football?
 
gijsbert_bos said:
That all sounds a bit socialist. Meddling with "the market". Surely unfettered capitalism is the way to go? Or do your interventionist principles only apply to football?
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All bets are off when it comes to football, and anything I feel may be holding back the people's club of Lincoln City ;)
 
Local ups and downs to keep our eyes on:

Grantham very much in danger of relegation from the NPL East Div, just two years (I think) after relegation from the Prem Div

Spalding in a two horse race for top of NPL Mids, though probably second favourites

Stamford possible (just) for play-offs in Southern Prem Central

Lincoln United in 2/3 horse race for top of United Counties League Prem, aiming to get back to NPL

LU also in action at home Saturday in FA Vase quarter finals
 
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