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From the Telegraph website

EU will open membership talks with Turkey on June 30
"The EU will open new membership talks with Turkey as planned in a few days, EU diplomatic sources said Wednesday, just as Ankara's accession becomes a hot-button issue in Britain's vote on its future in the bloc."


 
I don't understand the argument MM? Let our kids deal with it?

Europe is a tangled mess trying to assimilate too many cultures , religions and countries all at once , it will never speak with one voice .
America is a collection of united States , that's the operative word , united .
They are all American
Europe is a collection of countries all serving their own purpose .
Minds change when elections are due. It's corrupt , useless , and is ruled by Germany .
Better off out .
 
Are you so effing thick that you think this is real? Of course, the EU will start talking to Turkey because they're obviously trying to keep them sweet while they absorb hundreds of thousands of Syrian/Iraqi refugees. Bollux that up and they'll flood back into Europe.

As regards Turkey joining the UK, the country is on about the first step on a hundred rung ladder. They've yet to sort the Kurd issue; acknowledge and repair bridges with the Armenians; allow freedom of speech/press/other media; banish the death penalty completely (difficult when you're thinking of introducing in part Sharia law); run a true democratic system of government; move back towards becoming a secular state and a lot, lot more before they get even close.

If you're so gullible to believe the Brexiteers, you need help.
 
Your point was that it could be happening soon, my point was that it won't be.

The point was to show that Turkey have some way to reach the standards for EU membership (currently only 1/35 criteria passed), so it'll be a long time for them to develop to get to the required level.

If they never do, then they'll never be eligible to join.

If they do, then the UK will still have a veto.

This is what I find just rather funny with your posts in particular, the utter short sightedness of it all.

The EU started with the richest countries together, then as others reached that level they joined for everyone's benefit.

The point is, Turkey won't be joining any time soon, and if they were ever eligible to join, then it wouldn't look like the Turkey that we see today.

The point is that you're fear mongering to get people to vote leave, on the grounds that Turkey will join and 75m people will suddenly flee their homes for Folkestone.

What's ACTUALLY happening is Turkey may join in about ten years time, if they meet a lot of criteria that they're so far MILES away from meeting... and even if they DO meet the criteria, then the UK would still have a veto option to stop them joining.
 
It's short sighted to remain and allow our semi-democracy to dilute further and further just because project fear has spelled out impending financial doom.

In the long term UK is better off out and having a government that is answerable to the electorate once more.
 
Welcome Wayne. If anything was going to tempt you here it was going to be a post about Turkey and the EU. I agree with you, it will be years before they get in.
 
It might be years before they get in, but the fact they will get in is still something to consider for the future (as per the other four countries applying)...
 
Strange old world: the Brexiteers are banging on about Turkey joining the EU next week and in the same breath saying it is NATO not the EU that has kept peace in Europe and conveniently forgetting that Turkey is a NATO member.

Personally, I think it's a combination of the EU and Nato - EU intra community trade and Nato for the military aspect.

It was trade that sustained peace when the Hanseatic League was at its height but that would be beyond the ken of Brexiteers.
 
John_Knee - 22/6/2016 17:33

It might be years before they get in, but the fact they will get in is still something to consider for the future (as per the other four countries applying)...
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Hang on, so in order to get in they have to jump through massive hurdles including seismic shifts in policy, law, human rights before we even consider money.

Is it not, therefore, reasonable that if they jump through all those hoops that a totally reformed nation might join the EU in several decades? Is it also, therefore, reasonable and probably our duty, to remain in the EU so that we can have a say in whether they have made sufficient changes?

Or would it be better if we left the EU (the scary bogeyman) to march on to its own beat, hoping that without our influence it will never admit nations we'd rather oppose and then turn on us?

It is also well worth remembering that we import massively from the EU, but that those imports are a tiny fraction of the EU exports in comparison. We need the EU more than it needs us. If they stop selling to us or put the prices up it will damage us far more than it will them.

There is no point in having money if you cannot buy the items you need. And if the EU put prices up by 10% we can go and buy the same items from elsewhere, yeah? Well it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that 'elsewhere' could look at it and decide to offer us those goods for 'only' 9% more. Net result? Everything we need from overseas just went up by 9%.

Thanks for that. No matter what the percentages are 'elsewhere' is only going to beat the Eu's price by the narrowest possible margin. And if you're happy with EVERYTHING you import being made by children in a firetrap building somewhere half the world away to save a fraction of a percentage point then good luck to you.

It's not for me.
 
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